It’s official: I don’t get American job requirements

June 20, 2006

Found myself today at the Gawker Jobs page…not quite sure how, but I did none the less (no, I’m not moving to the States…just did ok!) and I found this marketing job for Indeed. The requirements: a BA or BS for a marketing job! Like I mentioned on June 8, Google has similar requirements for a Marketing job, and I just don’t get it! What, are the only two degrees Americans can get a Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of Science? How do either apply to a marketing job? In my case I’m to be bestowed (this year, my last exam results permitting…I did my final exam on Monday…and it’s only taken 12 years to get to this point) a Bachelor of Commerce majoring in E-Commerce and Marketing, which you’d think would be perfect for a e-commerce based marketing position…and yet it seems I wouldn’t get a look in for an American job…it’s got me beat…apparently American firms prefer people to have studied ancient history or the like!

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19 responses to It’s official: I don’t get American job requirements

  1. Congratulations on completing your degree!!

    As for the degree requirement for jobs in the U.S., it’s the difference in the higher education system between the U.S. and other countries. At 4-year unis, we typically have only backelor’s of art or science for undergrads but can receive them in many different majors including practical ones like marketing. The BComm is not a popular degree in the U.S. and I don’t recall ever seeing it before. If you were interested in applying for such a job in the U.S., I’m sure you could just state that it’s equivalent to a BA.

  2. You know, if I said my B. Com was equivalent to a BA in Australia I’d be lynched! there is no comparison. I guess we have a European based tertiary system, but it doesn’t explain why Google in Australia has the same specs :-), it’s still odd though, you can get a huge variety of Bachelor degrees here + masters, phd’s etc…I can’t imagine a system that only has BS and BA.

  3. To tell you the truth cause no one says it. In the US, minorities are less likely to have a college degree then whites, so it is a nice way legal way to discriminate. I know of one company that ten of my black friends applied for jobs, and none of them got them. The thing that cracks me up is that if you have a GED, and then go to college, you are now supposed to be smarter then people with high school diplomas. The funny thing is I never got a college degree and did tech support for a bunch of phd’s, nurses and md’s. You know they think they are so smart that they are actually quite stupid when it comes to computers.

    Now take my mother, she never got a high school diploma, worked at Mcdonalds, grocery stores, etc all her life and then she went and got a college degree, her arrogance of what she thinks she knows now is astounding. Reminds me of the scarecrow from the wizard of OZ.

    Now I seriously saw an ad one time to work for a rent to own furniture place that required a BA or BS.

  4. Hit a sore spot, Shane. I have a PhD and I would have to say that everyone is knowledgeable about different things. That’s why we work together so that you don’t necessarily have to know about the genetic epidemiology of cardiovascular disease and I don’t have to know the nitty gritty on server, router, this and thatter. 😉

  5. touche, but my point was that in america it is assumed that if you don’t have a college degree that you don’t have a brain. The smartest man in America according to IQ is a bartender. You know Bill Gates does not have a college degree, and according to Americas philosophy he is supposed to me a factory worker, carpenter, and or a burger flipper. Now how did he manage to get being the richest man in the world. He got there by really smart marketing, and having said that Bill would not have even been considered for the job that Duncan is talking about. My original post was not a knock at Doctors in particular, hell I respect all doctors for their knowledge of the human body. It was more of an example of how I not having a college degree and not supposed to have a brain helped out a bunch of people that were supposed to be intellectually superior to me. This I do know I took Honors Calc, Honors Trigonometry, chemistry, physics at the same time my senior year in high school and I never got the opportunity to get into college, why do you ask. Well one, my dad said at 18 i had to get out, so I joined the United States Navy. 2. My grades in the other classes like english, history, etc were so crappy it brought down my GPA to less then a 2.5. I got all A’s and B’s in math and science. Three, why should I go to school for something I already know and that is computers. You go to college to get a job. And I beat the system by not going to college and getting a job in the field that I was in anyway.

    Trsut me I made more when I was in the job market, then about 80% of college graduates. Now I am a stay at home dad that got in the field of blogging because of Darren Rowse and I stay home to make sure that my kids don’t have an underlying hatred for their parents like I do for mine. Mine were alcoholic, drug using, child abusing idiots. So I make it a point to be with my kids at each and every chance I get. Can someone point me to Dr. Phil. (Ha Ha)

    Oh by the way I don’t hate college, I just hate the fact that I never have had the chance to go yet, my kids come first. My kids will definitely be going to college.

  6. I know what you mean, Shane. And I’m glad you found success and satisfaction in your life. Not everyone has to go to college, but for many, it makes life just a tad easier. For many others, it doesn’t make a whit of differences. There are losers with all sorts of degrees. hehe

    BTW, is your domain name correct? I clicked on it and got directed to some placeholder.

  7. Besides the fact that genetic epidemiology of cardiovascular disease, is just a fancy way of saying the study of the genetic causes of Cardiovascular Diseases in a group of people. You could have just said that. Hell most normal people don’t know that there more then a 1000 bytes in a kilobyte either. That all 8 bits in a byte and bytes run on a power of 2. Or the fact that acceleration due to gravity is 9.81 meters per second squared. Or F=MA and E=mc2 are pretty much the same equation. Or how about the fact Paris Hilton is a big retard that probably could not read this has a high school diploma dn is still going to make more money then me in her life time. Oh well, you’re write, everyone know a little about something.

  8. Shane, What’s that you said? 😉 Don’t get me started on Paris Hilton. blech

  9. Yea my domain is correct, the host I am with did not send me a bill for the domain like they were supposed to, so the domain is expired but is still locked. Thats one of the reason I am here typing in these comments, I am waiting for them to get their act together so my site will go back up, it should be back up by the end of the day. Not to worried about it write now. I get about 8000 uniques per month right now and they all come from search engines. You know what I need to start proofreading my rants. I mispelled about a hundred words, probably should have went to college, and maybe I would not make so many mistakes. (wink, wink) You all have fun today, I am going to the pool now. Oh Duncan sorry about the weather there, I hate winter time.

  10. OK I’ll go visit you tomorrow then. Have fun at the pool!

  11. Higher degrees and intelligence have a dodgy correlation at best. But the link between higher degrees and salary is established. A degree is an easy way to classify someone without working real hard… easy, but not necessarily accurate.

    The US has an obsession with the college diploma. By dumbing the system down so everyone can get one, it’s making them worth less and less. It’s degree inflation.

  12. “But the link between higher degrees and salary is established.”

    That is because jobs that are posted like Duncan mentioned only want people with degrees to apply. A lot of sales jobs use psychological test and mathematical written tests to see who has the ability to do sales. The same can be done in every field or occupation. Granted there are certain occupations that require a lot of eduaction, like doctors, lawyers, professors, etc. But having a degree in basket weaving should not give you an extra advantage in life such as the marketing job Duncan is talking about. How many bloggers are out there that never went to college that are making a ton of money. They seem to be doing just fine and are marketing themselves very well to say the least and if they to applied for the marketing job in question and did not have a degree they would not even be considered.

    Now having said all that I agree with Bald Man that there is definitely a dumbing down of the educational system in America. To that end we only need to look at the “Girls Gone Wild Videos” A bunch of dumbass college girls taking their clothes off for the camera (I have seen the videos) and these are the people who will get a shot at the above mentioned marketing job before I will. Does moral character count for something in the job market.

    If you are wondering I just got the domain issue fixed and we should be back on line in a couple of hours. Plus I mentioned earlier that I will be going swimming, well guess what I am going for real right now……….See ya next time.

  13. Instead of “link” perhaps I should have said “correlation.” now I’m not commenting on whether or not I think the correlation is justified; just that it exists.

    Change seems to be happening, but it is happening despite the system.

  14. Bottom line is that if you have to work a typical 9-5 (which most of us sheep have) a degree and even certifications will more than likely earn you more money.

    They don’t mean you are smarter. I’m living proof. I have a degree and I’m an idiot!

  15. It’s much simpler than that. The one quality that all the top research companies want now is “Abstract Thinking”. Subjects like Maths, Philosophy, even Classics (Latin and Greek) actually foster abstract thinking.

    Modern subects, like Golf Course Management, Commerce, Media Studies, Performing Arts, etc. don’t.

    So the big companies like Microsoft and Google (especially) try to increase the odds of landing the right candidates for them by specifying “old fashioned” degrees.

    Postmodernism is not serving the new businesses. It’s back to the future, folks. 🙂

  16. First, to explain the U.S. distinction between BA and BS degrees. These are typically the only degrees offered and the different between the “A” and the “S” has to do with the content of the core curriculum, the arts being more humanities based, and the science being more math/hard science based. The degree is then tagged additionally with the specific area of study.

    By way of example, I have a B.A. in Political Science, which means that my core curriculum was broad humanities based, and my major field of study was political science.

    I’ll be the first to admit that my degree doesn’t do squat for getting me a job. But it does tell employers that I was successfully able to complete a program of study. I stuck to it.

    That doesn’t necessarily make me a better person, or a better potential employee. But, when looking at a pool of 100 people, about whom you know little, a degree is a way of sorting through.

    And before anyone gets started, I worked my way through college and grad school, was the first (and only) person in my family to go to college, and didn’t come by this the easy way.

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