Everybody’s favorite censorship loon Deborah Robinson has posted that “Families” support the Great Firewall of Australia, but this is where it becomes fun, because by Families she means the Australian Family Association.
The Australian Family Association is a body which has its roots in B. A. Santamaria’s Nation Civic Council, and its beliefs include homophobia, discrimination and naturally broad scale hard core nanny-state censorship.
Senator Brian Greig in 2002:
My long experience of the Australian Family Association?¢‚Ǩ‚Äùthe AFA?¢‚Ǩ‚Äùis that they are a hate group. They promote some of the most disgraceful and shocking vilifying materials that I have experienced and seen in this country.
The Australian Family Association….lobbies against feminism, recognition of same-sex relationships and adoption rights, and in favour of extensive film and television censorship.
Discrimination? Yep, read WA AFA President John Barich in Senate papers here arguing that discrimination should not be illegal.
Gays are one of the AFA’s pet hates (via unbelief.org)
“How is it that a small and ignored minority [i.e. gays] has become the ‘flavour of the month’? How is it that a lifestyle that has been universally condemned throughout most of history has now become chic and cool? How is it that societies that used to put the common good ahead of the desires of individuals now cater to every noisy minority group?” (Bill Muehlenberg, National Secretary, AFA, The State of the Culture Wars, Salt Shakers Journal, February 2001, 3)
So what is it Deborah? should we ban the gays and feminists and singles as well? How could you as a woman seriously support a group that is against a womans right to choose? Strange bedfellows my dear, but we live in strange times. Hey, the Nazi’s probably support your position as well, will you be quoting them next?
Maybe Santa’s children did finally take over the Labor Party once and for all.
It’s hardly got anything to do with God, if it were we’d be accepting of those who are different to us.
People have and always will do some crazy stuff in the name of God. What they don’t realise is that it breaks one of the most fundamental tenets of the religion, “Love your neighbour as you would yourself.”
No, this has nothing to do with God.
Why do women like this always remind me of the mother who tops herself in the first episode of desperate housewives?
Don’t presume to know what my beliefs are. Just because the Australian Family Association and I agree on this ONE issue, doesn’t mean we agree on all issues because we certainly do not. You do not know my circumstances, my family background, my personal history, etc. So don’t presume to know my views on anything other than the clean feed. You start slandering me Duncan, publishing things about me which are not true and have no substance whatsoever, I will sue you for libel.
Deborah
facts are always a great defence for libel: you’re supporting a group that believes in hate. I didn’t say that you believe those things but I rightly asked if there was a connection give that you equate families and the AFA in your writings, and provide support to the group. The fact that you haven’t chosen to distance yourself from the views of the AFA my lead some people to believe that you share some of their other views, that is their conclusion to draw, not mine.
You didn’t answer my question though: will you be printing press releases from Nazi’s if they support your stance? Did you know for example that Nazi style far right wing groups protest in conjunction with the AFA at public rallies (at least according to the Senate record)?
Back pedaling are you Duncan? I will say it again, I agree with the AFA on the ONE issue only. Do you agree with all the views of those who have support you on this issue? Of course you don’t.
In answer to your question. Of course I wouldn’t support Nazi’s, especially since my paternal grandmother is Jewish. There is a lot you do not know about me Duncan so don’t presume to know my views about anything other than the clean feed issue. As I said above, you don’t know my circumstances, family background, personal history, etc. You keep it up and you will have a case of libel to answer to.
I don’t understand why you are still attacking me. You know the only one stirring up hate here is YOU against ME and if you don’t stop it, I will be forced to take legal action against you.
Odd, because the Nazi’s were very fond of censorship, indeed censorship is one of the key tools of any dictatorship.
Deborah
lets see….I hadn’t heard of you or your blog before you just came out and started attacking me personally with your idiotic arguments. If you can’t take it back, get out of the game.
I’m not advocating hate or violence Deborah, words, while we are still free to use them (which under a world with you in charge we wouldn’t be) are the ultimate weapon in any discussion or disagreement, as they always should be.
Now you’ve really pissed me off. How dare you throw comparisons to the Nazis at me after knowing my jewish background—some of my relatives died in the holocaust. How dare you—you bastard!
I am not advocating censorship. If you can’t tell between restricting access to pornography and censorship then you are a bigger idiot than I thought you were. How can you compare protecting kids to censorship? Are you really that thick!
And before you start whinging at me about what I just said—I have every reason to be pissed off with you. You knock this shit off or I will take legal action and that is all I have to say to you.
Deborah
If Germany had a free press the people there would have known what was going on and history may have been different, so yes, I will make the comparison.
Again though with your delusions: this isn’t just about porn, it’s anything the Australian Government deems to be “pornography, inappropriate material, illegal and violent,” which ironically enough could easily include a fair whack of what the AFA’s writes about as well. There’s porn on Google, should we ban Google as well? Second Life, Skype, Yahoo….the list goes on. Say fuck too many times on a blog, get a R rating, get blocked. There are many, many more examples of where the ALP’s censorship regime will go wrong.
As for protecting kids, as I said in my very first post about you: if you aren’t protecting your kids already then someome call child services! Stop brining the whole “lets think of the kids” line into this, I have a son and I supervise his internet time and put in measures at the PC level to block things I don’t want him seeing. Saved. Now lets think about the adults shall we, and the many legitimate services such as Google that could just as easily be blocked because you’re too lazy to look after your own kids.
I contacted Duncan by email and we have agreed to disagree on this issue and to stop the feud between us. As two reasonable people, we agreed that life is too short and we will move on from this. I wish you and your readers well Duncan.
Deborah Robinson